NBA needs another Minor League debate...

Spammer04: If you can no longer have high schoolers play in the NBA, which I disagreed ever since Kobe Bryant entered the draft
Spammer04: then start taking a look more closely at all divisions in College
Spammer04: if you can have a player by the name of Jeff Noorgaard at Wisconsin-Green Bay get to the NBA, why can't any so called no name players be there either?
MakinMovesMitch: They do
Spammer04: That guard from Barton, at D3, that made the GW layup against Winona State in the Final, he was killin that whole game, he was killin all season too
MakinMovesMitch: Most dudes aren't good enough
Spammer04: Will he be looked at?
Spammer04: I disagree, outside the NBA, they have a TON of talented players
Spammer04: a TON
MakinMovesMitch: He's like 5'6 and skinny as heck
Spammer04: The talent is so widespread now these days in america, it'd be nice to have a farm system, other than the NBDL
MakinMovesMitch: Wow
Spammer04: Major Leagues have a 25 man roster, yet like 5 Minor League teams that they are associated with
Spammer04: What I'm getting at, is with these players that fail, they end up being nothing
Spammer04: where's Leon Smith? Mental institution?
Spammer04: Where's Korleone Young? 4 kids, working at a Safeway?
MakinMovesMitch: Cause they aren't good enough to play in the NBA
MakinMovesMitch: Wtf is Safeway
MakinMovesMitch: Lmao
Spammer04: Safeway is a supermarket
Spammer04: Either way, Basketball is a huge sport in america
MakinMovesMitch: Fuck Arizona
Spammer04: almost as big as baseball
MakinMovesMitch: That's why they have the ABA
Spammer04: No black players want to play baseball anymore, they want to play basketball or football
MakinMovesMitch: And shit like that
Spammer04: 2 leagues, ABA and NBDL
Spammer04: NBDL is NBA's only Minor League system
MakinMovesMitch: Duh
Spammer04: David Stern is a great Commissioner by the way
MakinMovesMitch: But you are just talking about "talented players" who should play in a league
Spammer04: But I think they still need at least another minor league
MakinMovesMitch: Well there are other leagues-like the ABA, USBL, etc etc
MakinMovesMitch: But they aren't good enough to play in the NBADL
MakinMovesMitch: That dude from Barton could play in the NBA?
MakinMovesMitch: HELL NO
Spammer04: I understand that, but I'm thinking about what Branch Rickey did with the Minor League System for baseball, it allowed not only for players to develop, but also for players who even though they may not develop, but be able to do something they love PROFESSIONALLY
Spammer04: And thats the same thing that should be done now for the NBA, a minor league system, working the same way as MLB
Spammer04: or NHL for that matter
Spammer04: Basketball is such a huge sport, HUUUUGE sport in America now
MakinMovesMitch: That's what they do overseas
Spammer04: Like if I had a person argue that, and come up with an argument like "Oh but what about the NFL?" Well the NFL, had 53 players, as well as a practice squad, as well as anybody that came out of college a tryout, as well as undrafted FA's, as well as the CFL, the NBA still needs help
Spammer04: I understand that, but there are players overseas, that have the talent that would love to play in america, that would love for just to have a chance, but don't
Spammer04: they need a minor league system
MakinMovesMitch: They've been expanding the NBADL a lot
Spammer04: The CBA needs to come back, and if someone wakes up in the management of NBA basketball it will, CBA should have 30 teams, and the NBDL should be where their at
MakinMovesMitch: But u gotta remember they gotta keep these teams afloat financially
MakinMovesMitch: And not many people wanna go to b-ball games for minor leaguers
MakinMovesMitch: Shits boring
Spammer04: Don't you recall about 20 years ago, they had a 8-9 round draft?
Spammer04: Okay, well do what they do with Baseball
Spammer04: You don't think people would show up at a game in Brooklyn?
Spammer04: a game in Inglewood?
MakinMovesMitch: People just go to minor league baseball games because of the nostalgia of the game
MakinMovesMitch: The open air stadium
MakinMovesMitch: Fresh cut grass
MakinMovesMitch: Just the game of baseball
Spammer04: Yeah say that, but look at baseball now my friend
Spammer04: No one wants to see a game now after the Mitchell Report
MakinMovesMitch: Also they just play in smaller stadiums
Spammer04: Baseball has fucked themselves
MakinMovesMitch: U can't really find many arenas where u can play ball at
Spammer04: this is where NBA can be the fore front of pro sports in America
MakinMovesMitch: FUCK ROGER CLEMENS
MakinMovesMitch: And no people wouldn't go to those games
Spammer04: Fuck all those players taking drugs, but they fucked it themselves, Branch Rickey would be spinning in his grave if he heard what was going on now
MakinMovesMitch: Cheating has always been in baseball
MakinMovesMitch: Spitballs, corked bats, pine tar, etc.
Spammer04: either way, a 2 league farm system would be good for the NBA
MakinMovesMitch: Steroids is just a different form
MakinMovesMitch: Oh and there's no way the NBA will be more popular than the ...
Spammer04: either way, I believe the NBA should be a 2 league system for the minor leagues, each team in the NBA is affiliated with one team in both leagues
MakinMovesMitch: N
MakinMovesMitch: F
MakinMovesMitch: L
Spammer04: where you are able to call up players without having to sign 10 day contracts to players that haven't played
Spammer04: all season
MakinMovesMitch: The NBA could be #2
MakinMovesMitch: But the NFL will always be #1 in the USA
Spammer04: If the NBA wants to be #2 then they need to adopt the system that I've been talking about
Spammer04: Cause look, you have College Basketball, EVERYBODY LOVES College Basketball, NCAA Tournament, all of that
Spammer04: What happens with all those unsung heroes, that no one has ever heard about? Sure they go on and graduate doing their profession, however, I will say half have that passion to keep playing, they get drafted, placed in the minors, they'd be a minimum of 100,000 dollars, people wouldn't watch them play?
Spammer04: Especially if they are placed in college type towns
Spammer04: like yes Brooklyn, Inglewood, is obvious
Spammer04: but Indianapolis? Where they love basketball?
Spammer04: Shit Minneapolis, they would too
Spammer04: Kansas City?
Spammer04: Shit give Des Moines, or any place in Iowa a chance?
MakinMovesMitch: nobody would pay them 100K minimum
MakinMovesMitch: Brooklyn or Inglewood?
Spammer04: Not in a farm system?
MakinMovesMitch: Lmao
MakinMovesMitch: Fuck no
MakinMovesMitch: Where would the money come from
Spammer04: I say Brooklyn because its like the minors, you cant pay 7 dollars to see a game?
Spammer04: From the NBA Franchises thats where, the owners that make billions of dollars
MakinMovesMitch: People probably wouldnt
Spammer04: I disagree
MakinMovesMitch: NBADL players don't even make 100 K
Spammer04: because its the same exact thing as when Branch Rickey introduced the minor league system for baseball
MakinMovesMitch: Have u ever sat down and watched an NBADL game?
Spammer04: Haven't been able to
Spammer04: But same question for you, have you ever sat down at a Minor League game? And you can say yeah, and you would bite me there
Spammer04: But the NBA can be like what the MLB is
Spammer04: Where Minor Leagues is EXCITING
Spammer04: seeing your young producing players, seeing what they will become two years from now
MakinMovesMitch: I haven't watched either
Spammer04: like Igor Racovicek or whatever the PG for the Wolves was would become
Spammer04: like Louis Bullock after killing at Michigan
Spammer04: like Marcus Taylor after winning a National Title at Michigan State
Spammer04: like Dirk Nowitzki, who turned out to be an amazing player with the Mavs
Spammer04: Overseas, is like JAPAN for baseball to me, when it comes to the NBA
Spammer04: like Travis Brown, sidelined by jaw surgery, and other illnesses, stop being so aggressive, I believe in him being in a minor league like that
MakinMovesMitch: Not everyone wants to
Spammer04: Well not everyone wants to see players develop, I know, America is about seeing NOW NOW NOW
Spammer04: But it also takes everyone single one of us to develop into something, so what are you saying?
Spammer04: Like yes, you're talking sports, but it relates to how it is in america as well
Spammer04: Give it a chance, see what happens, NBDL is great right now, but they need one more league, and they need to affiliate with an NBA team
MakinMovesMitch: Not everyone wants to play basketball after college
MakinMovesMitch: Travis is kinda sick of it I think
Spammer04: Right, but is a player like Ray?
Spammer04: where its his life
Spammer04: because he has nothing after
Spammer04: You could say that for HUNDREDS of players like Ray
Spammer04: and that probably was a vision that Branch Rickey had
Spammer04: 1920's, no sport dominated anything, but probably felt the same way
Spammer04: after Minor Leagues were developed in Baseball, they developed Minor Leagues in the NFL
Spammer04: Canada developed the CFL, NFL developed the practice squad, also developed the World Football League
Spammer04: as well as developing the USFL, as well as the new league that Mark Cuban is making
Spammer04: Do you understand what I'm trying to say though?
MakinMovesMitch: Not really
MakinMovesMitch: Sort of
MakinMovesMitch: They are different sports tho
MakinMovesMitch: Baseball u can have a lot of players
MakinMovesMitch: Basketball its only 12
Spammer04: I understand that, but there's 25 players on a major league roster
Spammer04: yet they have like 6 minor leagues
Spammer04: actually basketball isn't 12, it's 15
Spammer04: Because they place guys on Injured Reserve
Spammer04: NBA is the only league in Pro Sports, that really doesn't have a minor league in which they should
MakinMovesMitch: ???
MakinMovesMitch: Yeah they do
MakinMovesMitch: The NFL doesn't have one
Spammer04: NBDL
MakinMovesMitch: NBADL has a team assigned to every NBA team
Spammer04: NFL has 52 players, a practice squad
Spammer04: I know that
MakinMovesMitch: Every sports has a practice squad
MakinMovesMitch: And if u have 15 guys on your minor leage roster
MakinMovesMitch: And you are paying them 100K each
Spammer04: but where you say the NBADL has a team assigned to every NBA team, the NBADL has a DRAFT
MakinMovesMitch: You are gonna pay 1.5 million DOLLARS per TEAM?!
Spammer04: What's wrong with that?
MakinMovesMitch: JUST FOR THE PLAYERS?!
MakinMovesMitch: Plus coaches
Spammer04: If you're smart and place them in places like Oklahoma City as well\
MakinMovesMitch: Promoting
MakinMovesMitch: Tickets
MakinMovesMitch: Arenas to host the games
MakinMovesMitch: Jerseys
MakinMovesMitch: Gear
MakinMovesMitch: Etc.
Spammer04: Okay...all right, I understand where you're coming from, but then you look at baseball, at the state's IT'S fucking in
MakinMovesMitch: Where would the money come from?
MakinMovesMitch: These dudes would be making more than like professional accountants and shit
Spammer04: You make up a good point, but then again, why are players who are absolutely dog shit at baseball making as much as Pro accountants?
MakinMovesMitch: Those dudes are professional accountants
MakinMovesMitch: But those basketball players are just in the minor leagues
MakinMovesMitch: And making that much
MakinMovesMitch: They aren't even at the top of the top in their profession (basketball), which is the NBA
MakinMovesMitch: Plus if they made 100K, a lot of dudes would be satisfied
MakinMovesMitch: And u know it too
MakinMovesMitch: Obviously a lot of the dudes have the hunger
MakinMovesMitch: But a lot of dudes would be content with 100K a year and just in the DL for 10 years
Spammer04: Okay, but then you can just say the same as Major League baseball and their minor league system
MakinMovesMitch: If u have the talent and the desire, u will eventually breakthrough
MakinMovesMitch: Look at Bruce Bowen, Steven Jackson, Jamario Moon
Spammer04: BJ Garbe? Know him? Does anybody? He signed like a 3 year deal after being drafted 1st round in the MLB draft, worth I believe 4.3 million dollars
Spammer04: this was back in 2000 I believe
MakinMovesMitch: Those dudes all plyed every where overseas b4 finally breaking thru in the League
MakinMovesMitch: Yeah but that is their draft
Spammer04: So a player being undrafted, and is signed 100,000 dollars, thats a problem to you?
Spammer04: for an NBA Minor League System I'm talking about
MakinMovesMitch: I'm not saying its wrong
MakinMovesMitch: Just saying it wouldn't happen
MakinMovesMitch: Cuz where would they get the money to pay em
Spammer04: Either way, being overseas, they make hundreds of thousands of dollars, they don't make millions, its rare for them to make millions
MakinMovesMitch: Yeah but Garbe was drafted in the MLB Draft
MakinMovesMitch: LeBron James was drafted in the NBA Draft
Spammer04: Get real, where? Owners, its similar to MLB there, big market small market
MakinMovesMitch: And he signed a nice deal too
MakinMovesMitch: He produced, Garbe didn't
Spammer04: Marbury left Minnesota because it was a cold climate and wanted to be dealt, you find a player in your system who you've been developing would take his place
MakinMovesMitch: Plus the NBADL as a Minor League System is in its infant stages
Spammer04: LeBron James was a PHENOM, BJ Garbe wasn't
MakinMovesMitch: Now you have first round draft picks playing and starting out in the NBADL
MakinMovesMitch: Shit Kwame Brown, JJ Redick, etc etc etc
Spammer04: JJ Redick, surprisingly is doing all right this season
MakinMovesMitch: They are doing that now tho
MakinMovesMitch: Like Morris Almond of Utah
Spammer04: But you're naming now more players, that should have started in the "NBDL"
MakinMovesMitch: First round pick
Spammer04: Or shit, what about Randolph Morris?
MakinMovesMitch: Great scorer and is gonna be a good player
Spammer04: From Maryland?
MakinMovesMitch: He's in the NBADL
Spammer04: Right, but its not just those guys
MakinMovesMitch: Yeah Redick shouldve
Spammer04: There's A TON OF TALENT in Basketball
MakinMovesMitch: But someone like Dwight Howard
MakinMovesMitch: LeBron
Spammer04: You're getting back to my point, there's a TON of talent for basketball players
MakinMovesMitch: Melo
Spammer04: That's why they need another Minor League system
MakinMovesMitch: U can't put them in the DL cuz they are too good
MakinMovesMitch: But the MLB Draft, those guys aren't ready for shit
Spammer04: the whole 19 year old deal to enter the draft is bullshit, if you have the talent, you have the talent
MakinMovesMitch: Never do they play in the MLB the first year after being drafted
Spammer04: And thats why another minor league system would be good
MakinMovesMitch: Shit rarely even 2-3 years
MakinMovesMitch: Yeah the age requirement is ruining the college game
MakinMovesMitch: One and done players
Spammer04: "Never do they play in the MLB the first year after being drafted" Huston Street for the Oakland Athletics did, so never say never buddy
MakinMovesMitch: Like Oden, Conley, Mayo, Beasley
MakinMovesMitch: Shut the hell up, yeah RARE cases, like 98% don't
MakinMovesMitch: And they aren't All-Stars in their first year
Spammer04: Yeah, so? the age requirement is ruining the college baseball game...or so they say, thats why the College World Series is on ESPN every single year
MakinMovesMitch: Who cares about that shit
Spammer04: The real problem is, High School sports being televised on ESPN
MakinMovesMitch: Not on the same level of college basketball
MakinMovesMitch: That's why a team like the Florida Gators is refreshing
MakinMovesMitch: Them dudes stayed 3 years
MakinMovesMitch: Won back to back titles in an era where that's UNHEARD OF
Spammer04: Yeah? They could've opted out if they wanted to
MakinMovesMitch: And would've won BACK to BACK to BACK titles had they stayed another year
MakinMovesMitch: And that's 100% true
MakinMovesMitch: No team in college basketball could've beat them this year
Spammer04: Everybody is chasing for that paper, and thats why I believe the NBA should inherit one more minor league
MakinMovesMitch: They are one of the greatest teams of all time
MakinMovesMitch: Imagine if they had come back this year
Spammer04: so were the Minnesota Gophers
MakinMovesMitch: Shit
MakinMovesMitch: 3 Peat
Spammer04: then Courtney James was arrested for "rape"
MakinMovesMitch: Put Florida against those repeat Dukes teams of the 90's
MakinMovesMitch: Florida would win
MakinMovesMitch: Laetner would get locked up by Noah
MakinMovesMitch: Horford would abuse their post
Spammer04: he did his time, now where is he, no where, probably doing nothing with his life, with the talent he had, he would definitely do fine in another Minor League for the NBA
MakinMovesMitch: And Brewer and Grant Hill would go at it
MakinMovesMitch: Taurean Green vs Bobby Hurley would be an even match
Spammer04: now I'm not saying place those Minor Leagues in NBA cities, I would put them in places where they are HUNGRY for having the NBA there
Spammer04: I disagree, Hurley was a pass first guard, Taurean, wasn't really a pass first guard, he was more apart of the system
Spammer04: Duke didn't really have a system, they just played
Spammer04: Bobby Hurley, Brian Davis, Grant Hill, Christian Laettner, Cherokee Parks
Spammer04: Duke would have beaten Florida I believe